James Van Praagh

(rocketgal) Hello everyone, and thank you for coming! Today's author is Dannion Brinkley and we'll be discussing his 3rd book entitled, 'Secrets of the Light - Spiritual Strategies to Empower Your Life Here and In The Hereafter.' It's wonderful to see some new faces here.

A synopsis of the book is posted here for you. Even if you have not read the book you will enjoy reading the Book Chat discussion!

'Secrets of the Light' surprised me not just because it 'delivered' in that respect, but also because Dannion Brinkley focuses on spirituality in such a manner as to make reaching our full potential a welcoming experience.  By the end of the book, making the world a better place to live can be perceived as something desirable and totally manageable -- as part of our daily lives instead of some impossible goal to reach or too far out there.

For those of you who may not have had a chance to read the book, there are many chapters that describe Dannion's background and his work from previous books, - his writing style is both humorous and entertaining although he's dealing with a serious subject matter (His three death experiences!). The two main elements of this new book delve into his precepts for changing, spiritually growing AND surviving during these turbulent times ahead of us. Dannion refers to them as The Fourfold Path to Power and The Seven Truths.

I'll kick things off by describing the 'Fourfold Path to Power': 1) The power in Prayer, 2) the power in Choice, 3) the power in Belief and 4) the power in Love.

Dannion describes in the book how the incredible Power of Prayer was made manifest as he lay semi-conscious in a hospital bed and near death.  A famous talk show host and friend had broadcast a world-wide appeal of prayer for Dannion's recovery on his program although Dannion was unaware of it.

Questions:  Do you believe in the power of such group prayer? Has anyone here had a similar experience in which you, or a loved one, have actually felt the physical effects of a prayer group in action? Or experienced a healing that could only be explained by the power of prayer?

(JulieD) rocket gal can I come in here?

(rocketgal) Sure, Julie

(JulieD) I belong to a room where we have a Healing Prayer List, and each week we ask for help for others. One of our chatters, Oma who some may remember her from this room, had asked for help for her friend Chuck.

(rocketgal) Yes! ((Oma))

(JulieD) He had cancer, and it was growing fast. Well, seems when he went back to docs, and it had disappeared, and docs couldn't understand why.

(rocketgal) Awesome!

(JulieD) So Oma certainly believes in prayers and group prayers!

(rocketgal) Did Oma ever mention if he had felt anything?

(JulieD) She said she hadn't told him at first about the prayers...

(rocketgal) Many people experience a physical sensation as Dannion did.

(BJM) ((Oma and chuck))

(JulieD) ...and only mentioned it when the docs said it had gone.

(afire) I had an experience after my son passed... I had so many people praying for me,
and what I experienced was like a dream, but I was awake. I found myself in the middle of a circle of people with their hands on me, and felt healing...

(BJM) wow afire

(rocketgal) ((afire)) Awesome ...

(afire) ...it was awesome and somewhat indescribable...

(BJM) what a wonderful gift!

(afire) ...a deep sense of love and caring.

(rocketgal) That is what Dannion refers to as the incredible POWER in Prayer.

(rudie) I read about a prayer healing...for peace that was held in Wash., DC some years ago...they said that although some thought it wacky crime decreased in Washington by a substantial percentage during the prayer time...

(rocketgal) oh rudie ... I've read that too.

(BJM) yes I read that too rudie.

(PSAMEA) seems entirely logical to me....

(RuthAnn) yes, that is so good.  Prayer energies truly work.

(rudie) ...sometimes I wonder what would happen if we all began to pray together...I mean the whole world together...

(rocketgal) Dannion's take on so many things has evolved with each near-death experience and this book in particular accentuates those changes.

(Noahsdad) devils advocate?

(BJM) may I ask how many of you have read the book or others by Dannion Brinkley?

(rocketgal) rudie ... I imagine we could heal the world.

(RuthAnn) I read his first one long ago

(dogkisses) I did...2 of them

(iamyou) I have read some of his other books. =)

(Dr_D) I have

(chilli) not me

(Sharon) I read his first book

(PSAMEA) ...and there are the scientific experiments where one set of seedlings received daily prayer and thrived far more than the set of seedlings that didn't'.... so how much more powerful when aimed at humans?

(rocketgal) so true, PSAMEA

(Noahsdad) I agree.

(pauline) I have read all his books

(dogkisses) 1st and 2nd

(kbp) Dannion saw his bed surrounded by silver blue energy...this same energy could heal the world if all of us cooperated.

(RuthAnn) yes, my kids and I did that seed thing!

(BJM) yes kbp, I believe it too

(rocketgal) kbp - I believe that it true.

(rudie) I looked at the library at Barnes/Noble but could not locate the book...others by him though.

(PSAMEA) I read the first couple books of his... didn't receive this one yet

(BJM) cool Ruthann

(Noahsdad) but it doesn't always reveal a result that is obvious...

(RuthAnn) yes, I always see "healers" as blue green.

(kbp) I've read all his books & I've been to 3 of his events since April of his year.

(Sharon) I have also taken his Twilight Brigade Training as the result of what I learned from his book.

(BJM) wow kbp

(PSAMEA) wonderful! kbp

(rocketgal) right Noahsdad, or one that can be measured with scientific accuracy.

(dogkisses) funny...Ruthann...in 2 pictures the orbs are in green/white and blue /white.

(RuthAnn) nice Sharon

(PSAMEA) wow Sharon

(kbp) yes, Sharon, I plan to do that, too

(BJM) he seems like a very interesting man

(rocketgal) so cool kbp and Sharon!

(Sharon) it is satisfying work kbp

(rocketgal) The Power in Choice has many ramifications especially in light of the world situation. It's more important now than ever before that we not succumb to the bombardment of negativity hitting us from all types of media on a daily basis as we teeter on the brink of more wars on the horizon.

Dannion describes it this way: "Unless we choose to find a buffer to it all, we all share the potential of falling prey to the media's oppressive parade of one human atrocity after another." He goes on to point out that never was life meant to be a struggle no matter how much global struggling we witness on the nightly news.

Moving on with CHOICE, I have a few starter questions.

Questions:  Do you feel the same? Do we become a part of the problem when we indulge in acts of indifference or choose thoughts of violence and judgment? Is it unrealistic to believe that we can choose thoughts of hope and optimism in light of what's occurring in other parts of the world?

(BJM) Not at all unrealistic

(RuthAnn) be in this world and not of it

(BJM) we must be true to the light in our pursuits...

(RuthAnn) yes

(Noahsdad) tough one

(PSAMEA) I've been a "light-worker" for a long time... always strive to be positive

(BJM) ...and I think people who propagate violence whether to a cause or for it's own sake, are a big part of the problem...

(iamyou) they need help

(BJM) ...there are no violent solutions -ever

(kbp) Dannion says that "Intention" is the important thing

(RuthAnn) hmmm...or maybe...they are helpers to Us?

(rocketgal) When Dannion wrote this book in 2004 ... he said his 3rd visit to the other side revealed to him what's ahead for all of us living in this lifetime. I found his writing quite profound given the climate today.

(rudie) Dr. Andrew Wile suggests that we turn the TV off, newspapers unread, at times...because they do work our minds negatively...

(Sharon) I choose to do something in a positive way just to try to counteract each negative event.

(Noahsdad) well to ignore that it exists is not helping anyone.

(rocketgal) rudie ... I've practiced doing just that as much as possible without ignoring totally what's going on.

(RuthAnn) Understanding and compassion as though we are in another's shoes...help

(BJM) no but taking it in, in small doses - not letting it overwhelm us - I think that's important

(kbp) yes, rocket, we have entered the most important time period.

(iamyou) it's good to be aware, but not consumed by it.

(rocketgal) Exactly Noahsdad ... but how to achieve balance? Can there be a balance?

(Noahsdad) it is difficult to temper the media's business...

(RuthAnn) yes BJM

(Noahsdad) ...it is a business.

(rudie) I hear you rocket, although I have yet to try it...I am an admitted TV, newspaper junkie...I love to hear the world events.

(BJM) I am constantly turning the TV off to the talking heads all going on about war when my husband falls asleep...

(RuthAnn) We're all here maybe to find balance?

(Noahsdad) We must study the issues ourselves to understand...

(BJM) ...I think it's unhealthy to take that in while he's dreaming.

(Dr_D) lol

(Nancybare) I only watch the news in the ayem and at noon so I don't go to sleep with negativity on my mind.

(Noahsdad) ...and if direct action is not possible, then prayer is a likely choice.

(RuthAnn) we are each able ...if we know how.

(MMnO) I agree BJM

(Dr_D) We should all watch cartoons after watching the news...

(rocketgal) Dannion's approach is that we must CHOOSE to keep focusing on the good. To look at even adverse situations for something good to spring forth from them.

(Nancybare) wrap the world in white and gold light

(rocketgal) lol Dr D

(Dr_D) It is a choice rocket

(Sharon) rocket I agree with that...

(RuthAnn) yes, yes rocketgal...something good seems to come from everything...

(kbp) yes, Rocket...to look beyond the situation

(RuthAnn) ...and there is no death at all.

(Noahsdad) there is not always a happy perspective though rocket, or??

(BJM) yes - choice and intention - very important!

(Dr_D) just as with people...we can choose to see their good side or choose to see their bad.

(RuthAnn) yes Dr_D

(BJM) conscious living

(iamyou) =)

(pauline) I wanted to know if anyone who attended his recent events...if he has mentioned any other things to come in the future, that were not mentioned in his Secrets Of The Light book?

(rocketgal) So what does it SAY of the world situation we're finding ourselves in?

(Nancybare) yes BJM, live in the moment.

(RuthAnn) Wow, rocketgal...this is one amazing time, hum? Truest test of all times for us.

(Noahsdad) A child dies for any reason it is sad... perhaps the death can influence others but it remains sad nonetheless.

(Sharon) rocket I choose to believe good will win

(RuthAnn) absolutely Noahsdad!

(rocketgal) Noahsdad ... I've been trying to come to terms with that one. I'm unable to see a spark of good in some situations we're witnessing today.

(kbp) Pauline, he did say in Atlanta last weekend that the Lebanon invasion was due to controlling the Jordan River & that Jordan will cease to exist.

(Noahsdad) here too... I see darkness...

(RuthAnn) what if...what if all this was planned for our personal learning?

(rocketgal) ((RuthAnn))

(RuthAnn) looking Soulwise helps.

(Nancybare) there are no accidents...

(iamyou) What if a final WW is what is needed for us to grow?

(Dr_D) rocket do you see meeting the Heavenly Father a good thing?

(Noahsdad) ...but maybe it is important to see it so that light can come.

(RuthAnn) it's all really hard...until we go higher and look back.

(Sharon) good point iamyou!

(rocketgal) Dr D ... not sure I understand your question? Do you mean dying as a good thing?

(kbp) Dannion says the final wars will be fought over clean air & clean water, not oil.

(MMnO) I completely agree kbp.

(Noahsdad) yes iamyou but it remains tragic.

(iamyou) If we end up causing so much destruction with our new weapons... maybe then people will start to realize things and choose to live life in a different way.

(rudie) kpb ...the 'talk' is about privatizing water...imagine that...

(PSAMEA) Along the lines of RuthAnn's comment, perhaps our learning is the  primary object ... though in my opinion, God doesn't cause the incidents... but he gives us the intelligence to determine our own path... and who can be trusted to travel that path beside us?

(rocketgal) Yes, kbp ... we're missing the boat on the looming health crises as in plural that will emerge if we don't change.

(Dr_D) yes...in order to continue on your spiritual path in Heaven and with our creator

(Noahsdad) yes I see that too iamyou, but it ain't pretty.

(kbp) But if you read Dannion's book & know that it is true, you know that no one dies until their mission has been accomplished...no matter what physical age they are.  Some children are very old souls.

(Dr_D) true kbp

(iamyou) Sometimes you need a good kick to put you back on the right track.

(Noahsdad) my brother was an old soul, no doubt.

(Nancybare) everyone is born with a mission in his or her souls, no matter how young
when they die.

(kbp) yes, rocket.  Healthcare will be the major battlefield.

(Noahsdad) hmmm

(rocketgal) We all have a purpose here.

(kbp) yes, dear Noah  xxoo

(rocketgal) We all choose to be here.

(RuthAnn) :) kbp...we are all healers here

(rocketgal) :)

(Sharon) dad, I believe everyone on earth now is an old soul, for the very reason to change how we are treating each other, and the earth.

(RuthAnn) we all came together...

(Dr_D) I do believe there are no accidents, and all things happen for a reason...Good or Bad........I could not see any Good in my divorce from my first wife, but now after 6 years I see lots of Good....

(Nancybare) Ah Dr_ D...bless you

(Sharon) (grins knowingly to Dr_D)

(RuthAnn) some say we keep attaching to all and not wanting change in a world made of change...we just don't see clearly yet.

(Noahsdad) Sharon wouldn't an old soul have better sense? More experience?

(Sharon) you'd think!

(Noahsdad) lol

(rudie) you sound like pema chodron Ruthann...

(kbp) Sharon, Dannion's book talks about the fact that Spirit views us as heroes because we chose to be here now.

(PSAMEA) Boils down to the timing of our perspective.... a lot of the baby boomers now.... were the psychedelic people of the past... lol

(rocketgal) lol

(Noahsdad) ok I see laughter

(Dr_D) Sometimes it will take years for us to understand the good.....and then for some ...perhaps they will not truly understand until they've reached the other side.

(Noahsdad) but the intensions some have are evil, and I have trouble seeing past that.

(PSAMEA) their choice Noahsdad

(Dr_D) yes kbp and we 'knew' what our mission/challenges were gong to be and we leaped forward eagerly!!

(Sharon) that's ok dad. That's why you're here.

(iamyou) =)

(MMnO) nah. I think I was pushed.

(Sharon) (grins to Moon)

(Dr_D) That is where the book the 4 agreements will help you Noah.

(MMnO) lol

(Nancybare) it is important at the dawn of each day to set your intention.

(kbp) Last weekend Dannion said he still has trouble forgiving some things...

(Sharon) Amen Dannion!

(rocketgal) So maybe we need to acknowledge the existence of evil deeds but make the choice to not be moved by them?

(Nancybare) kbp it certainly isn't easy!

(PSAMEA) everyone's choice doesn't impact us individually, but many of the choices of individuals can impact thousands... still cannot love Hitler and his choices.

(Dr_D) would we know and understand good without evil?

(Nancybare) you don't have to Psamea

(PSAMEA) ty Nancy

(iamyou) I think people just need to be aware of when they're doing something evil. In most cases their ego tells them different, tells them it is the right thing for them to do.

(PSAMEA) thoughtful query Dr. D

(rocketgal) Good point Dr D ... the contrast

(MMnO) Well yes.  If someone who normally practices 'good' behaviors then suddenly does something evil - wouldn't you be aware the conduct was not good?

(Nancybare) iamyou psychopaths just don't have a conscience.

(rocketgal) You would think it would be a conscious choice, ((MMnO))

(MMnO) :D  (rg)

(rocketgal) ...and therefore yes, aware it isn't good.

(iamyou) People always try to justify things, even if they normally do good.

(PSAMEA) as iamyou said... Their perspective may not be telling them their actions are what you or I consider 'evil' ... but I hate that word... it is judgmental.

(Noahsdad) my intension is usually good, but I cannot influence others who are sick, but only through prayer and example.

(Nancybare) right on Noah

(RuthAnn) someone once said to me we are each learning to change ourselves to good here

(Noahsdad) stuff happens!

(rocketgal) And Dannion explains that when we embrace the violence or make judgments we become part of the problem and not the solution.

(Nancybare) and when we muck up we can forgive ourselves and press on...

(Dr_D) True Rocket

(MMnO) I don't think anyone can honestly say they are 100% good all the time - whether it be an unkind thought, an angry beep of the horn while driving... to be all hearts and flowers all the time - that's really rather unrealistic.

(rocketgal) MMnO  I agree!

(Sharon) We are 'human' after all...... (grins)

(PSAMEA) in making judgments.... what does he include that you agree on, rocketgal?

(RuthAnn) we were told to not judge...which is different from discerning.  Love seems to always be the answer.

(Dr_D) I am always good MM

(rocketgal) I'm with RuthAnn ... discerning.

(iamyou) Ruth, you're so right =)

(Sharon) We would not know the difference between good and evil if we did not have both experiences... .just like a fish does not know he is in water until he sticks his head out of it.

(rocketgal) Exactly, Sharon

(Dr_D) lol

(Noahsdad) well I don't embrace it, but what about defending yourself if you cannot run away?

(RuthAnn) No one can say 'who' is good or not really.

(Noahsdad) Is no good without evil. They are measured by each other's extreme.

(Nancybare) nothing wrong with discernment

(Sharon) right dad

(BJM) ...as long as you don't become that from which you are defending yourself.

(RuthAnn) We don't see the bigger picture.  Maybe that guy who punched you gave you the opportunity to turn the other cheek and love? Pretty difficult though, to not punch back...and love instead.

(PSAMEA) I think that is the problem Noahsdad... we can't stop a rocket with a thought although a prayer might minimize the damage.

(Nancybare) Yes Ruth Ann, bombard him with Love!

(kbp) well, we will all have a life review when we pass over...every thought and action will be remembered & the effect they had on others will be felt by us.

(RuthAnn) well nancybare...it needs to be gentle, lol

(Noahsdad) my pain allows me to feel others pain

(RuthAnn) love is kind

(Dr_D) it does Noah....true kbp

(Sharon) that is called compassion dad.

(Noahsdad) so in that sense my bumps along the road were a good thing.

(Dr_D) or empathy

(Noahsdad) I get that.

(rocketgal) kbp and the key phrase in that it is FELT by us. As Dannion says, not in a judgmental way but it will be ourselves judging our deeds.

(RuthAnn) but don't we each get our 'own concepts' here?  Is love freedom that way?

(PSAMEA) ...the lesson we learn in awareness...

(Noahsdad) but what about the crazy people who want to kill each other...

(kbp) I'm glad I'm not having their life review, Noah

(Noahsdad) ...because their teachers have brainwashed them....

(RuthAnn) bless them Noah...we're all a bit that way too...so love truly helps when we each do it.  I could be wrong...

(Noahsdad) lol meee too

(Sharon) RuthAnn, I  think you are right.

(Nancybare) hopefully without taking down anyone else too Noah.

(rocketgal) Noahsdad ... In a world of vibration ... it can be described as 'where' and 'what' you're vibrating to which is a whole other discussion!

(Noahsdad) but I mean they start out clean...

(iamyou) We possibly have all been 'crazy' in a past life or two.

(PSAMEA) perhaps in a very compassionate manner they are here to teach us compassion, caring, exploring the means to improve their lot, etc.

(Noahsdad) ok

(kbp) Intention is the important thing...

(Nancybare) Noah I continue to wrap them in a column of light and hope for the best!

(Noahsdad) yes Nancy, just putting it out there.

(Nancybare) it isn't easy sometimes, but it is like brushing your teeth...you just do it.

(iamyou) =) that's sweet of you Nancy.

(rocketgal) Dannion talks about 'vibration' in the book and how he saw others we would deem as evil or crazed in a nether place ... similar to purgatory. He felt his vibration lowering and did not want to continue focusing on them in fear of lowering his vibration.

(PSAMEA) interesting

(Sharon) fascinating....

(RuthAnn) Isn't it wonderful we are all a little different here.  Once we each get to know our own best vibration then ...wow!

(rocketgal) So what if we take that and use it in the here and now?

(Dr_D) Lower Planes of the spiritual world?

(kbp) Yes, he calls it 'the blue gray place.' Many people get trapped there.

(RuthAnn) Yes rocketgal. Yes.

(Noahsdad) If my choice is influenced through darkness/lack of Reality even-- those who deny the holocaust -- am I really responsible for the destruction I was taught to have caused that intension?

(rocketgal) right, kbp  :)

(kbp) Especially, soldiers or people with unresolved anger.

(Noahsdad) it was karma???

(PSAMEA) rocket I would hazard a guess that they are there until they choose to return and learn to better their take on what is needed to reach the higher planes.

(Spiritbird) How is this book different from his other two?

(Nancybare) you cleanse yourself after you pray for them and visualize them with light

(Noahsdad) not worried about me.

(Dr_D) more lessons in this book Spirit

(iamyou) PSAMEA, I agree

(rocketgal) Spiritbird ... Dannion describes his progression with each near-death experience and how it has affected him and caused him to change his total outlook. It's fascinating stuff.

(kbp) Spirit, he goes into more depth and talks about the ET's & the immediate future

(RuthAnn) and kbp...there but for grace go we

(kbp) yes, Ruth

(rocketgal) Moving on ...

(Spiritbird2012) even ET's... wow!

(pauline) I love Dannion's sense of humor that he put in his last book. :) I did get a sense that Kathryn's words are used more in this book than we think. I also have the book on audio CD's, and can tell you ...she has a voice like an angel.

(Sharon) Them ET's are amongst us now. Neato huh?

(rocketgal) The Power in Belief chapter has a few surprises in it ... Dannion has never hidden the fact that part of his personality has been on the arrogant side and here he describes how it took him a 3rd NDE before he finally grasped why belief matters when it comes to developing a system of Faith.

Dannion describes the moment we arrive on the other side, "We are infused with a spiritual understanding of our eternal oneness within the vast and infinite nature of Divine Love."

(RuthAnn) yess

(rocketgal) Questions:  Belief in kindness, for example, that creates an ongoing stream of good deeds on behalf of others, is a most powerful energy reverberating into the Heavens.  Do you believe that what you do in this life and your belief system in the here and now, decides the quality of your life in The Hereafter? Is seeing believing or is it the other way around?

(PSAMEA) I have found many who do angel work and soul recovery work agree there are extra terrestrials.... and also encounter sentient beings on the nether levels such as dolphins and whales.

(RuthAnn) hmmm good question!

(Spiritbird2012) I have had similar experiences during my NDE... I do have to say I wish he chose a different picture of himself on the cover...he looks almost evil on it...his eyes.

(Dr_D) I do believe...pay it forward.....

(Noahsdad) as long as it does not drive you (feed the ego) so that it becomes a drug.

(rocketgal) I think he meant to look electrifying! lol!

(iamyou) I haven't seen the cover, but maybe he's going for a more serious look?

(PSAMEA) answer is yes, from my perspective

(Noahsdad) must be some balance

(Sharon) I believe that too Dr_D

(Spiritbird2012) ic ic

(rocketgal) sorry ... couldn't resist the pun.  (--- bad girl

(iamyou) lol

(Sharon) (winces)

(kbp) Everybody has kidded him about that horrible picture...hehehe. He is very handsome...and that picture is not!

(Dr_D) lol

(rocketgal) LOL RuthAnn

(RuthAnn) lol

(Nancybare) I think he looks plain scary

(PSAMEA) great lil commercial on now showing people passing on kindnesses because they received a thoughtful assistance.... or EVEN because they witnessed one..... we never know who is watching our actions.

(rocketgal) I admit I keep the book face down!

(iamyou) lol

(Dr_D) He just wanted to catch the eye...

(RuthAnn) do we fear death...or life? lol

(Spiritbird2012) I even got the movie on DVD 'Saved by the Light' and wore it out watching it like 50 times with Eric Roberts.

(kbp) Living is hard for me.

(RuthAnn) lol Spiritbird

(PSAMEA) The cover specialists are likely the ones who chose the picture... lol

(Nancybare) Blessing someone or passing along a kindness, not only increases serotonin to the receiver but to the giver AND to anyone witnessing it !

(RuthAnn) yes PSMEA...what sells.

(kbp) Spirit, Eric did a great job, didn't he?

(Spiritbird2012) yes indeed...he played like 3 different characters in one man...the cocky, arrogant one, Forrest Gump type and then the man he is today.

(rocketgal) Yes, Nancybare

(RuthAnn) yes, nancybare...creates a 7.9 hz frequency... healing...

(Nancybare) isn't that cool!??

(iamyou) very

(rocketgal) But how many of you believe ... that what we do here affects the quality of our life on the other side?

(Sharon) For myself rocket, I think doing a kindness is what the Golden Rule teaches.

(iamyou) I do.

(PSAMEA) I do

(RuthAnn) well...there are holding places...both sides...we can be aware in either dimension...

(kbp) I do...cause I don't want to go to the blue grey place!

(RuthAnn) ...our choice in perception.

(Nancybare) rocket I don't know what to think

(iamyou) I like the fact that he was very open about his past and who he was... most people would try and hide it.

(kbp) I'd like to scoot by it.

(RuthAnn) I've been there... but prayer unsticks ya.

(PSAMEA) have reason to believe this is my best life so far.... possibly my last turn here..... lol... hopefully

(rocketgal) True, Sharon ... but do we do it because it feels good and therefore is, in a way selfish? Or do we do it from a perspective of childhood upbringing - so we can 'get' into Heaven?

(Spiritbird2012) Love is all we need.... if we can learn to love everyone we can heal the world....I have done some healing also. Love makes the difference... we are all powerful spiritual beings of light here to learn lessons, spread love and go home.

(kbp) iam, Dannion still cusses & has a temper, too.

(Nancybare) I had a NDE and was told LOVE was what He wanted from us on earth

(RuthAnn) a b s o l u t e l y!  We can get into heaven either place, here or there.  Seems it might be easier if we get to heaven by raising our thought vibrations here first

(Dr_D) I don't believe the quality of your life is set in stone on the other side due to your actions here on earth

(rocketgal) DR D I have a problem with it also ... that reward system popping up its ugly head.

(PSAMEA) not set in stone, but affected to a degree, if we are to accept his views of the other side according to this book

(Sharon) Doing it so we can get to Heaven, has us doing our helping from a point of EGO. EGO gets us no points. We will all get to Heaven no matter what...

(RuthAnn) but it's not always essential

(rocketgal) right, Sharon.

(Spiritbird2012) Our soul never dies...the body does...but Love is the answer

(Sharon) but to do it that way makes it 'conditional' not unconditional......

(iamyou) I act out of love because I know it is the only truth. If I only wanted a free ticket into heaven I would turn Christian.

(Sharon) ...that is the wrong way to do anything.

(rocketgal) Dannion is quite sure on one thing this third time around ... that there is NO Hell.

(Sharon) haaaa AMEN to that one iamyou!!

(PSAMEA) well, I believe God is love and that part of us that glows with love for others is our portion of God within.

(rocketgal) ((iamyou))

(RuthAnn) yes...being here gives us opportunity to change ourselves totally into Love

(Nancybare) Rocket I agree with him, no hell.

(iamyou) It's good to be aware of what you are doing when and before you do it. People like Dannion have helped me find this awareness.

(Nancybare) hell is on earth

(Sharon) I agree Nancy

(Dr_D) I do believe in various levels of the spirit world with lower levels less appealing but I do believe that once there each person has an opportunity to work up to a higher level regardless of what their actions were here on earth...but only after a life review and an understanding of what you did and how it affected others.

(hundredth_monkey) hell is inside, just like heaven.

(dogkisses) What about those who create their own 'hell' per se anger, aggression and depression?

(RuthAnn) yes hundredth

(kbp) yes, DR, I believe that

(rocketgal) So it can be a contradiction ... On the one hand he is saying that what we do here DOES affect the quality of our existence on the other side and yet ... there is no Hell or 'punishment' by Our Creator.

(RuthAnn) yes dogkisses...just still learning about balance

(Nancybare) Well in my NDE there was no review as such, I was just taken to the brink and allowed back as many others were

(PSAMEA) I like how that sounds Dr. D

(Spiritbird2012) Hell is here on earth...the hard lessons we have to learn...pain grieving, sadness, anger, etc.....hell is the guilt we carry around with us for hurting others and ourselves...but when we cross over we see our life review which teaches us empathy & compassion and see things from the other guys point of view...the ones we have hurt...God is LOVE and light, not the angry God some make him out to be.

(RuthAnn) doesn't seem to be a contradiction at all.

(rocketgal) True Dr. D and that is exactly where Dannion takes the reader!

(iamyou) Punishment... isn't that when karma comes into play during your next life?

(Dr_D) But understand that if you have to experience something that you did wrong from the perspective of the victim...you will be living a hell...

(Sharon) Punishment is of our own making, if at all, since we do the judging when we cross over...

(kbp) what we do is not the thing...it's where our consciousness is, Rocket.

(RuthAnn) once we realize the Light....the immense Love it Is ...well...there's nothing quite like it.

(dogkisses) ...but what do you do when someone who loves YOU doesn't' share that LOVE info and leaves you without telling you?

(rocketgal) Yes, Sharon, we do.

(RuthAnn) Dr._D...each soul seems to experience different things.

(Dr_D) True Ruth.

(Nancybare) Sharon yes, we do the judging

(Sharon) whoa iamyou, good question!

(PSAMEA) You continue to exercise your own love for that person and others dogkisses.

(kbp) yes, Dr.

(Nancybare) wrap them in love and wish for the best for them dk.

(Spiritbird2012) If we can learn to forgive ourselves and other's and love as hard and deep as we can, then we are doing our part and helping as many on the way as we can.

(RuthAnn) yes PSAMEA.  Higher Love is Freedom to choose.

(dogkisses) or is that Karma in your next actions.....perhaps while here on earth iamyou?

(Dr_D) I have asked others on the other side some of these questions and get the same answers...Love is the most important thing...Treat all with love...even those who wrong you...when we get to the other side...we will all be fine...

(Nancybare) Spirit we seem to be on the same page.

(kbp) good message, Dr

(Spiritbird2012) ditto

(Nancybare) DR that is the message I got as well.

(Spiritbird2012) so where can I go to meet other people who have had NDE's as myself?

(Nancybare) I did Spirit.

(Sharon) I have had two Spirit.

(rocketgal) I'm all for life reviews but there has to be more ... We are not meant to suffer here in this lifetime. Suffering has no use unless it can teach you how not to suffer in the future. We are meant to be joyful beings here in the now. Maybe it is all about choice and focusing on the good and raising your vibration.

(Dr_D) I have gotten that message over and over again...and I make every attempt to live my life daily accordingly.

(PSAMEA) I try, but it is difficult to love those who are perpetuating violence upon others.... at times I don't even Want to Try to love them.

(RuthAnn) yes rocketgal...and suffering brings us to compassion for those who are suffering and elicits our action to help maybe?

(Nancybare) but rocket suffering leads us often to resolution of problems.

(kbp) Yes, Rocket...raising our vibration is the key.

(hundredth_monkey) suffering brings about change, it can be seen as mercy too. For we have the chance to change.

(RuthAnn) yes, raising our good energies.

(iamyou) Do we really suffer, or do we just choose to view it that way?

(Spiritbird2012) Is there a meeting place, chat room, local place? I feel like Dannion did in his first book...keeping it all in so no one thinks we are nuts and not sharing with anyone....when we NEED fellow people as ourselves to share with?

(Sharon) Right here on JVP's website spirit. Always someone around who has had an NDE.

(Nancybare) PSAMEA it is like the Nike ad.....just do it !

(Sharon) I believe forgiveness comes when we are able to see the good that comes from the experiences by someone who has wronged or harmed us.

(Dr_D) But understand that they have a mission as well and they could be one of the brightest stars in spirit PSAMEA.

(RuthAnn) yes Sharon, well put.

(PSAMEA) lol Nancybare... yes, undoubtedly you're right.

(iamyou) Sharon, I agree.   =)

(Dr_D) wow Sharon...great comment!!

(rocketgal) And I think we've already hit on his fourth: The Power in LOVE.

(RuthAnn) yes Dr_D yes

(Nancybare) you don't have to FEEL like it to put the intention of Love around others...just do it and go on your way.

(rocketgal) The Power in Love is the key by which we identify the spiritual nature of all things, Dannion relates this perspective of love as he now understands it from viewing its power on the other side.  He describes Love as not just the hope for our future but as our destiny.  Our survival as a global family rests in the Power in Love.

(RuthAnn) Love is All...  All is Love

(iamyou) Love is amazing. I was lucky to 'feel' the energy of love while I was visited by my great grandfather in a dream.

(Sharon) I was only able to forgive my father for his abuses, after I finally learned all the good things I became as a result of him. I was able to embrace it and love him fully once again. All the negatives just fell away.

(RuthAnn) wonderful iamyou!

(iamyou) It's an indescribable feeling.

(kbp) ((Sharon...same here, hun))

(RuthAnn) wonderful Sharon...wonderful!

(Nancybare) I forgave my mother by saying 'I forgive you for not being the mother I wanted.'

(PSAMEA) That has to be one of the most wonderful viewpoints I've ever seen expressed, Sharon.... thank you for sharing that.

(RuthAnn) Ahhh lovely Nancy.

(iamyou) ((Sharon))

(Sharon) haaa welcome PSA!

(Nancybare) ty RA

(RuthAnn) we know so little...and great people like Dannion help us all sooo much.

(Sharon) But she was the mother you needed Nancy...

(rocketgal) ((Sharon)) Truly profound. Thank you for sharing with us.

(Sharon) ...just look at you now kiddo!

(RuthAnn) thank you

(kbp) I forgave my mother-in-law by understanding how limited she was in the ability to freely love others.

(Sharon) kbp, she loved you the only way she knew how.   (((kbp)))

(RuthAnn) yes Sharon xoxo. Nancy xoxo

(iamyou) Ruth, they do.  =)   Imagine a world without these spiritual leaders?

(Nancybare) Yes Sharon...I let my fantasy of the mother that I wanted go, and accepted the mother I had.

(RuthAnn) kbp fantastic

(Sharon) well done Nancy!

(kbp) That night my mother-in-law came to me as I slept, hugged me & told me she loved me.  I awoke & could feel her presence beside me.

(iamyou) ((kbp))   =)

(rocketgal) kbp awesome! xo

(RuthAnn) kbp ox

(rocketgal) In conclusion ... Secrets of the light is fascinating to read. Although we haven't touched upon the Seven Truths, but Dannion spoke at length about those Truths in an event he did with us on March 14th, 2006. They are spiritual truths we'd all recognize and understand, so I hope you will take the time to read that chat log ...As you will see, Dannion takes these Truths to a new level with his perspective. The mainstay of the book of course, is the POWER of LOVE.

(Sharon) It is interesting how Dannion's views change with each NDE.

(PSAMEA) increased knowledge perhaps Sharon?

(Sharon) I tend to agree PSA

(kbp) Yes, Sharon...Dannion said that he didn't notice the blue gray place at his first death because all he was focusing on was himself.

(rocketgal) Sharon ... It was interesting and totally refreshing how he shared his views and WHY they've changed ... because of his return to the other side and other dimensions.

(Nancybare) Sharon I found that very interesting as well.

(Sharon) Well rocket, after today's event, I will get that book and read for myself!!

(Nancybare) my NDE changed my life forever, and it is so good now, I don't want another one to muck it up! lol

(Sharon) mebbe the next one will be even better Nancy!??

(Nancybare) lol   now that would be mind-blowing Sharon ! lol

(kbp) Dannion writes that by 2008 the fact that we are not alone will be known to everyone on the planet!

(Sharon) thank God for that kbp!!

(rocketgal) Oh yes... kbp.  Loved that part!

(iamyou) kbp, did he go on to say if they would do more than just make themselves known to us?

(kbp) Iam, he said that they will help us avoid genocide & toxic poisoning.

(iamyou) kbp, thank god!

(rocketgal) From what Dannion says ... ETs are so concerned with our planet they feel they'll have no other choice but to reveal themselves.

(pauline) Wow! Good to know they will come to help kbp!

(kbp) yes & I've been told that many of us light workers will be working with them to save the planet.

(Nancybare) well kbp, someone has to!

(kbp) Yes, rocket!! He said he didn't mention this stuff in 1975 cause people would've freaked out.

(rocketgal) OH ... which reminds me - Sharon, I thought of you on this one! Dannion also talked about how we co-exist and WORK in many other dimensions right now in this lifetime. He said it was no wonder we'll all so tired!  Loved that too.

(kbp) we are multidimensional beings...

(Sharon) rocket I believe that!

(kbp) ...soon it will be commonplace....

(rocketgal) Right kbp ... And I do like having that validated again and again.

(kbp) ...light surgery & telepathy will be commonplace.

(rocketgal) And ... for those who've missed reading his first two books ... he combines them all in this third as far as his NDEs and what he'd learned from the other side.

(Sharon) well done rocket!!

(iamyou) This book chat thingy should be every week. =p

(rocketgal) And a BIG Thank YOU to all of our JVP chatters for making our book club discussions such a success! YOU chatters make that possible! I've so enjoyed being here today. My gratitude to all!  xo

(semma88) interesting  positive chat...got to go. Thanks

(PSAMEA) hope to see all of you here again soon!

(RachelJay) Bye all! Great discussion!

(kbp) Love & Light to all  Loved the chat, dear ones

(pauline) Loved the chat....hope everyone has a super day or night whatever time zone your in.   See you all soon :)

Session Close: Sat Aug 12 17:24:20 2006